Have a problem with the "Black National Anthem?" Tough.

Seems wingers are going apeshit over the performance of "Lift Every Voice and Sing" -- also known as the "Black National Anthem."

This has led to some handwringing here and elsewhere that maybe performances of such songs should be forsworn so as not to offend the easy offended.


At the start of the event Tuesday morning, City Council President Michael Hancock introduced singer Rene Marie to perform the national anthem.

Instead, she performed the song "Lift Ev'ry Voice and Sing," which is also known as the "black national anthem."

When she finished, the audience responded with mild applause. The national anthem was never performed.

Governor Bill Ritter (D-Colorado) discussed the incident on The Mike Rosen Show on 850 KOA on Wednesday morning, calling it "inappropriate."

They are going nuts because they are nuts. It's to be expected, as other diaries here have noted, that this would bring out the racists. Anything involving blacks being something other than invisible will upset racists. Anything showing black with political power will upset the wingers -- since black political power is almost universally progressive.

But let's get one thing out of the way. There is nothing wrong with the song. In the actual news story, there was confusion that the singer didn't perform the "national anthem" that was expected; that is, the Star Spangled Banner, but to complain about any other aspect of the story is proof of ignorance or worse.

"Lift Every Voice" is called the "Black National Anthem" but for God's sake, it's not an either/or situation. Our nation has several anthems, and no one goes nuts over the others.

From wikipedia


"Lift Every Voice and Sing" was first performed in public in Jacksonville, Florida as part of a celebration of Lincoln's Birthday on February 12, 1900 by a choir of 500 schoolchildren at the segregated Stanton School, where James Weldon Johnson was principal.

Singing this song quickly became a way for African Americans to demonstrate their patriotism and hope for the future. In calling for earth and heaven to "ring with the harmonies of Liberty," they could speak out subtly against racism and Jim Crow laws--and especially the huge number of lynchings accompanying the rise of the Ku Klux Klan at the turn of the century. In 1919, the NAACP adopted the song as "The Negro National Anthem." By the 1920s, copies of "Lift Every Voice and Sing" could be found in black churches across the country, often pasted into the hymnals.

Again, it's not like this is a parallel national anthem, or a dueling national anthem that hides a secret goal of white slavery. Put it akin to "God Bless America" and "America the Beautiful," both patriotic songs sung to show affection for the nation.

Frankly, "Lift Every Voice and Sing" is likely a more respectful song if you think about it. "The Star Spangled Banner" is an old British drinking song with a poem about a war the US essentially lost. "God Bless America" is our one-time mortal enemies anthem -- "God Save the Queen" with slightly different lyrics. At least "Lift Every Voice" is original.

But to be offended by this, people have to betray an ignorance of a song that is performed regularly in churches, schools, sporting events and public gatherings all over the nation, several times a day. The wingnuts getting all upset and acting all surprised are betraying an ignorance to a song better known than "Take me out to the ballgame" or "Rockabye Baby." They could get as offended by the former, as its performed with our nation's anthem at major community gatherings too.

As progressives with a modicum of education, a decent amount of historical curiosity, and no tolerance for racism, we should, as one, call this so-called outrage what it is -- blatent racism. No ground should be given. "Lift Every Voice" is a great song, sounds fantastic in the company of our nation's other anthems, and speaks for a population that deserves no less than our defense.

To cower to the idiots on this would make us unworthy of the song itself, and its vision of us as a nation.


Poll
What's the best national anthem ever
A Brit song about God saving the Queen from.... I don't know... Spiders? Daleks? They're unclear in the lyrics.
A poem about our getting trounced by the Brits, ironically set to the then-British equivilent of "99 Bottles of Beer."
"We Will Rock You" by Queen

Votes: 20
Results : Vote Link : Polls

Display:


doesn't bother me. (2.00 / 4)

but hey i'm canadian - maybe that's why.


"Me Fail English? That's Unpossible." Ralph Wiggum
by canadian gal on Wed Jul 02, 2008 at 11:41:34 PM EST

Your poll is missing an option: (2.00 / 4)

"Take Me Out To The Ballgame."

That should be our national anthem.


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by mistersite on Wed Jul 02, 2008 at 11:43:15 PM EST

Re: Your poll is missing an option: (2.00 / 3)

Yuck.  Baseball bores me to tears.  I'd rather eat dirt.  But hey, to each his own.


No Way. No How. No McCain.
by Denny Crane on Wed Jul 02, 2008 at 11:50:14 PM EST
[ Parent ]

he also left out this from the poll... (2.00 / 5)


"Me Fail English? That's Unpossible." Ralph Wiggum
by canadian gal on Thu Jul 03, 2008 at 12:02:52 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: he also left out this from the poll... (2.00 / 2)

Should have shown Karen Neuman singing that at Joe Louis arena in Detroit.


"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." Samuel Johnson
by MS01 Indie on Thu Jul 03, 2008 at 12:09:37 AM EST
[ Parent ]

not familiar with that one... (2.00 / 1)


"Me Fail English? That's Unpossible." Ralph Wiggum
by canadian gal on Thu Jul 03, 2008 at 12:12:44 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: not familiar with that one... (2.00 / 3)

Karen Newman sings the National Anthem for every Red Wings home game. She's been doing it for years. She's got a great voice. I thought all hockey fans would know who Karen Newman was, even Canadian fans. :)


"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." Samuel Johnson
by MS01 Indie on Thu Jul 03, 2008 at 12:21:57 AM EST
[ Parent ]

nope. not me. (2.00 / 1)

but ill ask my husband - im sure he'll know.  nice grab with hossa btw.


"Me Fail English? That's Unpossible." Ralph Wiggum
by canadian gal on Thu Jul 03, 2008 at 12:41:54 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: nope. not me. (2.00 / 3)

Hossa is a huge pickup for the Wings. He's the only big-name player they'll be able to sign this year. No real room left under the salary cap. That's alright. Kenny Holland just made the best lineup in the league stronger. That's got to be a scary thought for the rest of the teams.


"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." Samuel Johnson
by MS01 Indie on Thu Jul 03, 2008 at 01:22:19 AM EST
[ Parent ]

yeah... right after the leafs! (2.00 / 1)

not!


"Me Fail English? That's Unpossible." Ralph Wiggum
by canadian gal on Thu Jul 03, 2008 at 01:24:34 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: he also left out this from the poll... (2.00 / 2)

Darn, couldn't find one of the CNA. Found a couple with the SSB.


"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." Samuel Johnson
by MS01 Indie on Thu Jul 03, 2008 at 12:13:04 AM EST
[ Parent ]

I see your Alanis... (2.00 / 3)

...and raise you a Harry.


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by mistersite on Thu Jul 03, 2008 at 12:18:00 AM EST
[ Parent ]

i see your harry and raise you a joe canadian. (2.00 / 2)


"Me Fail English? That's Unpossible." Ralph Wiggum
by canadian gal on Thu Jul 03, 2008 at 12:49:14 AM EST
[ Parent ]

No problems here (2.00 / 4)

I can't imagine why any reasonable person would object, unless they're simply ignorant of what it's all about. It's a beautiful song with an inspiring, patriotic message. In this particular instance, they probably should have performed both songs, but I don't consider it a big deal. Thanks for educating us.


No Way. No How. No McCain.
by Denny Crane on Wed Jul 02, 2008 at 11:44:51 PM EST

Re: No problems here (2.00 / 1)

Thank you! I was so surprised by this story... actually being a story. But Drudge had it, so it had to be real.

It was another grand episode of "how I continually underestimate the inanity of the Right."


Fight the Smears!
by Lettuce on Thu Jul 03, 2008 at 12:17:05 AM EST
[ Parent ]

point of clarity (2.00 / 3)

Interesting diary.

Thought you'd like to know that it's "My Country 'tis of Thee" not "God Bless America" that is based on the British National Anthem ("God Save the Queen/King). Otherwise, well reported.


by vadasz on Thu Jul 03, 2008 at 02:22:57 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: point of clarity (2.00 / 1)

To clarify things further, the title of the American version of "God Save the Queen" is really "America," although it's usually referred to by the first line ("My country, 'tis of thee").


by RamblinDave on Thu Jul 03, 2008 at 02:40:17 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: point of clarity (none / 0)

Did not know that... thanks!


Fight the Smears!
by Lettuce on Thu Jul 03, 2008 at 08:51:38 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: point of clarity (none / 0)

My mixup, my bad. Thanks for the clarification!


Fight the Smears!
by Lettuce on Thu Jul 03, 2008 at 08:51:16 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Have a problem with the (2.00 / 3)

so are you saying that the people in the video clip, such as the mayor of Denver and the City Councilman, who were upset at the fact that she did not sing the Star Spangled Banner as she was expected to do, are racist?


by Todd Beeton on Wed Jul 02, 2008 at 11:53:27 PM EST

Re: Have a problem with the (2.00 / 2)

Why should they be upset? I've heard people substitute God Bless America for the National Anthem more than once. It's not as if this is a one time thing or as if she had sung the Mexican National Anthem or something similar. She sang an uplifting song of American origin. Why would anyone object except for the fact that it is known as the black national anthem?


"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." Samuel Johnson
by MS01 Indie on Wed Jul 02, 2008 at 11:59:16 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Have a problem with the (2.00 / 1)

As I said -- if they're upset by the confusion... if they were all excited for the Star Spangled Banner and got Lift Every Voice instead, fine. If it HAD to the the SSB and wasn't, fine -- they can be upset.

But there is a lot of upsetedness that seems to stem from the EXISTANCE of a black national anthem. If that offends, especially with a little bit of education about the song's history, then, yes, that's racism.


Fight the Smears!
by Lettuce on Thu Jul 03, 2008 at 12:21:12 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Have a problem with the (none / 0)

I do think that there is some very racist reactions to this.

Disturbingly Intense Racism at Breitbart.com
by owl06, Wed Jul 02, 2008 at 08:40:19 PM CDT

cross-posted from Alegre's Corner
Today Drudge Report ran the headline "'Black national anthem' stirs controversy in Denver..." Drudge linked to a video hosted a Breitbart.tv, that has received intensely racist feedback. Companies, including Microsoft advertise on that site and should be made aware.

What's even more sickening is that all comments are screened and approved by a moderator. They are so distasteful that I will not repeat them here. Naturally, they dragged Senator Obama and guns into the dialog as if there was some sort of connection.

People on this site know that I'm not exactly in the Obama fan club, but that type of racist BS must be addressed forcefully.

Sure, those bigots can say what they please, but companies like Microsoft should not be associated with hatred. I contacted some of the people that I work with at Microsoft already, and ask that you all do the same to rightly inform advertisers about what is on that site.

Update:
-Feel free to republish the text of this diary elsewhere.

-Another article with racist comments http://comments.breitbart.com/0807021707 25c8gbhoky/


"And I scream at the top of my lungs, what's going on?"
by Hollede on Thu Jul 03, 2008 at 01:33:23 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Have a problem with the (none / 0)

wow. that kinda worked. cool.


"And I scream at the top of my lungs, what's going on?"
by Hollede on Thu Jul 03, 2008 at 01:42:00 AM EST
[ Parent ]

I'll vote for the Star Spangled Banner (2.00 / 3)

I've got a personal connection to that song. I'm from mostly English ancestry with a little Norwegian and French Canadian thrown in for good measure. One of my English ancestors was Sir Henry Shrapnel, the inventor of the Shrapnel Shell, the bombs bursting in air mentioned in the anthem. Not exactly something for a progressive to brag about, but an interesting tidbit of history, nonetheless.

BTW, I've heard Lift Every Voice several times and it never fails to move me.


"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." Samuel Johnson
by MS01 Indie on Wed Jul 02, 2008 at 11:56:45 PM EST

Re: I'll vote for the Star Spangled Banner (2.00 / 2)

Joseeeee can you seeeeeeee!!!!

Wait.

What?

This song is NOT about a spanish guy? ! ? ! ?

Why didn't anybody tell me about this?

Jokes aside. Loved this version and the backstory.

Rec'd.


No way. No how. No McCain!
by spacemanspiff on Thu Jul 03, 2008 at 01:39:38 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I'll vote for the Star Spangled Banner (2.00 / 1)

heh. you made me laugh.


"And I scream at the top of my lungs, what's going on?"
by Hollede on Thu Jul 03, 2008 at 02:27:32 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Black National Anthem (2.00 / 3)

Here's the video of her performance.


"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." Samuel Johnson
by MS01 Indie on Thu Jul 03, 2008 at 12:19:25 AM EST

Re: Well here is my problem... (2.00 / 4)

Here is my problem with it.  The United States of America has only one National Anthem.  While there are several anthems, and tributes to the United States, there is only on National Anthem.

"Lift every voice" is not it.

By this rationale you can replace the flag or any of the other National symbols at will because of the simple fact that there are several of them, and that some are nicer than the 'offical' one.

If she wanted to sing the song, that's great.  It's actually a great song.  But if she was supposed to sing the National Anthem and replaced it with another song, any song...I have a  problem with that.

And if it offends you or causes you to jump to conclusions in regards to race or racism...tough.


He that lives upon hope, will die fasting. -Ben Franklin
by TxDem08 on Thu Jul 03, 2008 at 12:26:51 AM EST

rec'd AMEN (none / 0)

I'm happy clear eyed people such as ourselves exists. The national anthem is something sacred. This is where being PC goes too far. This woman went over the line.


by Lakrosse on Thu Jul 03, 2008 at 12:40:25 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: rec'd AMEN (2.00 / 1)

Sacred?  No thanks.  It's a good anthem and all, but I'm not about to ascribe holiness to any national symbol.

Is it now a requirement that whenever "Lift Every Voice" is sung, "The Star-Spangled Banner" be sung as well?


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by mistersite on Thu Jul 03, 2008 at 12:44:10 AM EST
[ Parent ]

come on - seriously? (2.00 / 2)

its a song...  and not only that what the singer tried to do was special - not offensive.  now - i dont think people are racist that didnt love it - but really - in the scheme of things - how important is it?


"Me Fail English? That's Unpossible." Ralph Wiggum
by canadian gal on Thu Jul 03, 2008 at 12:46:09 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: rec'd AMEN (2.00 / 1)

It's a song written about the war of 1812, set to the tune of an English drinking song.  

It's only been the national anthem since 1931.


by Can I Haz Moar Snark on Thu Jul 03, 2008 at 01:05:41 AM EST
[ Parent ]

it is our national song (none / 0)

and should be sung when a song known as the National Anthem is to be sung. If someone sung the Sex Pistol's version of "God Save the Queen" at a British Soccer game, I assure you many people wouldn't be happy.


by Lakrosse on Thu Jul 03, 2008 at 01:09:04 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: it is our national song (2.00 / 1)

Really? Is LEVAS like the Sex Pistol's "God Save the Queen"? Really?

LEVAS isn't unpatriotic.  It's not any different than singing "America the Beautiful" instead of "The Star-Spangled Banner".


by Can I Haz Moar Snark on Thu Jul 03, 2008 at 01:12:26 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: it is our national song (none / 0)

Lakrosse is Diamond Jay.

This person was our very own MyDD bigot.

His/her comments were tinged with a racist undertone and the comments on this thread prove that even while trying to be subtle about it he/she can't.

No, I'm not calling all deadenders racist. I'm calling out one person, Diamond Jay (Lakrosse) for what he/she is.


No way. No how. No McCain!
by spacemanspiff on Thu Jul 03, 2008 at 01:32:35 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: it is our national song (none / 0)

It seems like every diary that guy wrote was either "We was robbed!" or "Barack Obama owes everything he to Bill Clinton".

I think, if I had more time, it'd be an interesting exercise to make a list of his memorable comments.


by Can I Haz Moar Snark on Thu Jul 03, 2008 at 01:38:33 AM EST
[ Parent ]

why are you calling (none / 0)

me someone else? I see no need for personal attacks on this website, especially the types in which you engage. Not everything is "racist."


by Lakrosse on Thu Jul 03, 2008 at 01:39:07 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: why are you calling (none / 0)

If you're not DiamondJay, he's not accusing you of writing comments "tinged with racism".

Don't worry about it.


by Can I Haz Moar Snark on Thu Jul 03, 2008 at 01:42:09 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: why are you calling (none / 0)

C'mon Diamond. It's pretty obvious it's you. The Bill Clinton thing you've got going on (not that their is anything wrong with that) and your comments give you away easily.

I'm not saying everything is racist. This is a little trick you d-eanders use to paint with a broad brush every time somebody calls you on your B.S. Just like saying their is no need for personal attacks after you rail on the Obamabushies and cultists as fascists pigs.

I'm specifically talking about you (Diamond Jay) and your past history here and on other sites. I don't throw the race card around (check my comments) nor do I agree with the premise of this diarist that the Denver officials were outraged because of race.


No way. No how. No McCain!
by spacemanspiff on Thu Jul 03, 2008 at 01:47:02 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Well here is my problem... (2.00 / 1)

But LEVAS has never been claimed to be "THE" National Anthem. It's called, by some, the Black National Anthem, because of the uniquely african-american experience it speaks to. 100 years after its writing it still shows how the black experience is different in the US.

But it's not the same as the SSB. Anyone who says it is is misinformed. Fearing some threat from its existance, or that it someway lessens the actual, unsingable, beer chantey that is the US national anthem is ridiculous.


Fight the Smears!
by Lettuce on Thu Jul 03, 2008 at 12:50:55 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Well here is my problem... (2.00 / 1)

And therein lies my beef with it.  She was introduced to sing the National Anthem and performed "Lift every voice" in it's place.  That was wrong.

And as to others comments, if you want to replace America the Beautiful with Battle Hymn of the Repbulic or vice versa, go for it.  Or any combination thereof.

But if you're supposed to sing the National Anthem, then you should sing the National Anthem, even if only has been the National Anthem for the past 77 years.


He that lives upon hope, will die fasting. -Ben Franklin
by TxDem08 on Thu Jul 03, 2008 at 02:00:39 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Well here is my problem... (none / 0)

I'm just offended by the lyrics and the message of the song.


by Can I Haz Moar Snark on Thu Jul 03, 2008 at 02:03:32 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Well here is my problem... (2.00 / 1)

Pity the poor Aussies, they are lumbered with 'Advance Australia Fair.'  And it has four or five verses.


by Shaun Appleby on Thu Jul 03, 2008 at 02:15:04 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Ditto! (none / 0)


by suzieg on Thu Jul 03, 2008 at 06:42:09 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Well here is my problem... (2.00 / 1)

I agree with your basic point.  She replaced the national anthem as if they're interchangeable and I don't think they are.  Besides, others weren't in on it and it wasn't announced.

But no one is contending that Lift Every Voice is the  national anthem, even though it is usually introduced as the black national anthem.  

I know the diarist ended his title with "tough" so I understand your use of it here, but my guess is that any discussion that ends on that word isn't very much of a discussion at all.


by niksder on Thu Jul 03, 2008 at 11:04:54 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Well here is my problem... (none / 0)

good point niksder.


"And I scream at the top of my lungs, what's going on?"
by Hollede on Thu Jul 03, 2008 at 11:42:44 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Awesome diary. (2.00 / 4)

This belongs on the rec list.

I still can't figure out what the problem was. Those people got a treat -- they got to hear something beautiful and different. The outrage over this is just good ol' fashioned racism.


Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.
by sricki on Thu Jul 03, 2008 at 12:37:56 AM EST

Re: Awesome diary. (2.00 / 1)

You lost me there.


He that lives upon hope, will die fasting. -Ben Franklin
by TxDem08 on Thu Jul 03, 2008 at 02:03:08 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Awesome diary. (2.00 / 4)

No.... I gotta disagree. She shoulda sung both. For the record, I don't like it when singers elect to sing God Bless America instead, either. It's the national anthem, SING IT. Don't be "special".  A treat would have been both, even though it still woulda raised crap from racists.

But seriously people, do the national anthem. It almost NEVER works out well to do something "different".


If you're being chased by an angry bull and then you notice you're also being chased by a swarm of bees, it doesn't really change things. Just keep on running.
by vcalzone on Thu Jul 03, 2008 at 02:13:40 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Awesome diary. (2.00 / 1)

When you sing the anthem, you are an invited entertainer, and it is your duty to please the crowd. It's like if the speaker for that event came onstage and started talking about Iraq instead of Colorado. It could be a great speech, but it's not what was requested.


If you're being chased by an angry bull and then you notice you're also being chased by a swarm of bees, it doesn't really change things. Just keep on running.
by vcalzone on Thu Jul 03, 2008 at 02:34:20 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Okay, I can see that POV. (2.00 / 1)

But I think some of the overblown outrage was based in racism.


Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.
by sricki on Thu Jul 03, 2008 at 09:12:34 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Okay, I can see that POV. (2.00 / 1)

Isn't it always? Well, not necessarily racism, but always based in hate.


If you're being chased by an angry bull and then you notice you're also being chased by a swarm of bees, it doesn't really change things. Just keep on running.
by vcalzone on Thu Jul 03, 2008 at 10:01:05 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Heh, yes it is. Good point. n/t (none / 0)


Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.
by sricki on Thu Jul 03, 2008 at 10:03:47 AM EST
[ Parent ]

this is the stuff (2.00 / 1)

white backlash is made of, that could hurt us in November at the polls. It really could. Obama would be doing a real Souljah moment if he comes out against this girl. Seriously, she and the rest of AA's are now full citizens with full rights, thus America's national anthem is theirs.


by Lakrosse on Thu Jul 03, 2008 at 12:42:10 AM EST

Re: this is the stuff (2.00 / 3)

Why should Obama be obliged to comment on this at all?  It was a meeting of the Denver City Council.  He had nothing to do with it.

Given the tensions on both sides, it would probably be best for him not to touch this one.


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by mistersite on Thu Jul 03, 2008 at 12:47:12 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Didn't you know? (2.00 / 3)

Obama is responsible for everything anyone Black does, says, or thinks, and should be made to apologize?


* Hums Mr. Rogers theme *
by Maori on Thu Jul 03, 2008 at 01:44:08 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Didn't you know? (2.00 / 4)

Really? I thought he was the secret king of the communist moooslems.


by Can I Haz Moar Snark on Thu Jul 03, 2008 at 01:48:39 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Didn't you know? (none / 0)

It's no secret anymore, the PUMA's are on the case.
LOL
* Hums Mr. Rogers theme *
by Maori on Thu Jul 03, 2008 at 01:51:45 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Didn't you know? (none / 0)

PUMAs:  the last line of defense against the Obama menace (not because he's black or anything).


by Can I Haz Moar Snark on Thu Jul 03, 2008 at 01:55:02 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Didn't you know? (none / 0)

You are sooooo naive.


If you're being chased by an angry bull and then you notice you're also being chased by a swarm of bees, it doesn't really change things. Just keep on running.
by vcalzone on Thu Jul 03, 2008 at 02:18:51 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: this is the stuff (none / 0)

Not with a 100 ft. pole if he knows what's smart.  Bitter and gun toting will look like bad grammer compared with each other.

He's much to smart for that.


He that lives upon hope, will die fasting. -Ben Franklin
by TxDem08 on Thu Jul 03, 2008 at 02:02:20 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: this is the stuff (2.00 / 3)

Girl? Souljah moment?

Please.

This reminds me of the days in PA and OH when everyone was worried about "white backlash" against Obama -- and how that might help Hillary.

Well, Obama still won. Because there's no reason to cater against a backlash. Because if a very nice performance of Lift Evry Voice is going to set off some horrible White backlash, then those in the backlash weren't going to vote for Obama anyway.

We need to stop being afraid that racism will do us in. The days of catering to racists are over.


Fight the Smears!
by Lettuce on Thu Jul 03, 2008 at 12:47:58 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: this is the stuff (none / 0)

in case you noticed, Hillary DID win Ohio and Pennsylvania, and won them in landslides. If the primaries were reversed in order, Hillary woulda been the nominee faster than Obama threw Jim Johnson under the bus. If you think backlash only belongs to partisan GOP voters, you may wanna look at the swing voters we clearly lost in 1988, 1984, 1980, 1972, and 1968. We lost those elections before of being seen as soft on crime, and weak on welfare, racially charged issues. 1988 sticks out the best, with the Willie Horton commercial. Our country is less racially polarized today, but examples of Harold Ford's loss show its still prevalent today, and even Ed rendell believes he beat his opponent by so much in part due to race. So if the Press asks Obama about this, a Souljah moment would sure help him.


by Lakrosse on Thu Jul 03, 2008 at 01:05:13 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Maybe he should wear (2.00 / 1)

a confederate flag belt buckle, just to make sure the hard-working white people realize he's one of the good 'uns.


by JJE on Thu Jul 03, 2008 at 01:16:04 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Maybe he should wear (2.00 / 1)

Too subtle.


by Can I Haz Moar Snark on Thu Jul 03, 2008 at 01:18:09 AM EST
[ Parent ]

ok - that comment is mean... (2.00 / 3)

but damn funny.


"Me Fail English? That's Unpossible." Ralph Wiggum
by canadian gal on Thu Jul 03, 2008 at 01:22:15 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: ok - that comment is mean... (2.00 / 1)

Not that mean. Where I live, there are still some people that will display the confederate flag right next to the American flag. I think the irony is lost on them, and it's DEFINITELY one of my pet peeves. Even moreso than the confederate flag by itself, which I'm also not fond of.


If you're being chased by an angry bull and then you notice you're also being chased by a swarm of bees, it doesn't really change things. Just keep on running.
by vcalzone on Thu Jul 03, 2008 at 02:20:39 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: this is the stuff (2.00 / 2)

Seriously, she and the rest of AA's are now full citizens with full rights, thus America's national anthem is theirs.

Gosh.  Can you believe those ungrateful black folks?


by Can I Haz Moar Snark on Thu Jul 03, 2008 at 01:09:38 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: this is the stuff (none / 0)

Heh. That's the Diamond Jay we know and loathe.

Even when she/he tries to be subtle about things the inner bigot lashes out against the AA's.


No way. No how. No McCain!
by spacemanspiff on Thu Jul 03, 2008 at 02:38:56 AM EST
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No he shouldn't (none / 0)

nobody running for President should lower themselves by pretending to care about this ridiculous non-story.


by JJE on Thu Jul 03, 2008 at 01:10:27 AM EST
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I only meant if the press asks him (none / 0)

and there's a slight chance they could.


by Lakrosse on Thu Jul 03, 2008 at 01:13:40 AM EST
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Re: I only meant if the press asks him (2.00 / 1)

If only.  Then Barack could finally renounce and reject black people for being so gosh darn black.  Lol, you are transparent.


by Can I Haz Moar Snark on Thu Jul 03, 2008 at 01:16:20 AM EST
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In which case he should say (none / 0)

"I think the American people have bigger problems to worry about than what some singer sang at a council meeting in Denver."


by JJE on Thu Jul 03, 2008 at 01:17:48 AM EST
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Re: this is the stuff (none / 0)

Ugh... Now you lost me. We're no longer at war against the British, why do we still sing The Star-Spangled Banner?

Need for patriotic gestures aside, Obama doesn't need to come out against this. It'd just be mean. Invite the woman to sing both at an event, bring in someone to sing God Bless America, hell, bring in Lee Greenwood if you want. But there shouldn't need to be something considered the "black national anthem", "white national anthem", "hispanic national anthem" or anything else. Let's just celebrate America.


If you're being chased by an angry bull and then you notice you're also being chased by a swarm of bees, it doesn't really change things. Just keep on running.
by vcalzone on Thu Jul 03, 2008 at 02:18:19 AM EST
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I agree 100% with you! (none / 0)


by suzieg on Thu Jul 03, 2008 at 06:43:37 AM EST
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Tough. (2.00 / 3)

i voted for QUEEN--. faux outrage is all the rage especially when it gives you an excuse to be a racist. it wouldn't offend me, but then again im not a secret racist.

[like when i was in high school we would have to do the national anthem, pledge of alegiance, the damn texas pledge, and then a moment of silence every fucking morning. 15 mins of faux patriotism in the morning is the worst way to start the day. I would have enjoyed school more if we played Queen every morning-]


"Rankles and Rush Limbaugh, ruining the chaos brand since 2008."
by alyssa chaos on Thu Jul 03, 2008 at 12:52:13 AM EST

Re: Tough. (none / 0)

I vote for Squier...now there's a pledge at the beginning of every school day!  LOL...


He that lives upon hope, will die fasting. -Ben Franklin
by TxDem08 on Thu Jul 03, 2008 at 02:27:00 AM EST
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no problem (2.00 / 3)

I thought it was a beautiful song. I also find many Native American interpretations of the song to be beautiful and inspiring. Why does another point of view frighten so many people? I think people of color and people of different backgrounds can have a different perspective on our country and traditions. It's allowed, this is The US of A.


"And I scream at the top of my lungs, what's going on?"
by Hollede on Thu Jul 03, 2008 at 01:29:38 AM EST

Re: no problem (2.00 / 2)

It's tradition. And it was unexpected. They asked someone to sing the national anthem, they sing something else. A treat is when Elvis Costello changes the arrangement of his songs every time you see him. Because you paid to see that and see him.

She was the warmup act. A sidenote. Something that was meant to be inspiring but not take attention away from the meeting. That is fail.


If you're being chased by an angry bull and then you notice you're also being chased by a swarm of bees, it doesn't really change things. Just keep on running.
by vcalzone on Thu Jul 03, 2008 at 02:38:51 AM EST
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Re: no problem (none / 0)

Life is filled with things.

From sub-atomic particals, to the molecules that make up our bodies, our country, our planet, our universe. Things make up our hearts, and things make up the chemicals that interact in such a way to suggest we have a soul. Those same chemicals are put to work when we attempt the mental ordering of society that our puny brains conjure up to make sense of the chaos and put meaning behind scary lightning.

Life is filled with things.

This issue, however, is a very little one of those things, and if people are jammed up about it, they're overreacting, and feeding the Right Wing monsters who can't tell which things matter. A handy guideline: no one dies or thrives based upon what was sung at this meeting. Therefore, not a big thing at all.


Fight the Smears!
by Lettuce on Thu Jul 03, 2008 at 09:00:56 AM EST
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Not that I am accusing you of (none / 0)

"roll"(ing) around on the ground with vaseline-smeared half-naked men, engaging in a sport that traces itself back to ancient Greece.  I also imagine he spends a significant amount of time "on the bottom".


"And I scream at the top of my lungs, what's going on?"
by Hollede on Thu Jul 03, 2008 at 01:52:22 AM EST

Your comment is out of line (none / 0)

with the original thread.

But, yeah, I'm not into it enough to get involved "physically".


by Can I Haz Moar Snark on Thu Jul 03, 2008 at 01:58:35 AM EST
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Re: Your comment is out of line (none / 0)

uh, ok.


"And I scream at the top of my lungs, what's going on?"
by Hollede on Thu Jul 03, 2008 at 02:01:32 AM EST
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Re: Your comment is out of line (none / 0)

I just thought he was being kind of a jerk and everyone can probably tell that, so what is the appeal of playing or fighting with him?


"And I scream at the top of my lungs, what's going on?"
by Hollede on Thu Jul 03, 2008 at 02:03:43 AM EST
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i think it was meant to suggest... (2.00 / 1)

that he was gay or a loser for engaging in a sport with male contact...  or possibly i am misinterpreting it.


"Me Fail English? That's Unpossible." Ralph Wiggum
by canadian gal on Thu Jul 03, 2008 at 02:09:47 AM EST
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Re: i think it was meant to suggest... (2.00 / 1)

I thought so as well and it's a fairly juvenile response to a juvenile comment. Maybe we can shame them into being more civil.


"And I scream at the top of my lungs, what's going on?"
by Hollede on Thu Jul 03, 2008 at 02:13:54 AM EST
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Re: i think it was meant to suggest... (none / 0)

The dude is nothing but a troll

I think that anyone with the nickname "[cage] fighter" may have some insecurities.  I also think that its not a bad thing to make folks uncomfortable when they troll.


by Can I Haz Moar Snark on Thu Jul 03, 2008 at 02:15:16 AM EST
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there was plenty... (2.00 / 1)

of ways to make your point.  the one you chose, i dont support.  

sorry.


"Me Fail English? That's Unpossible." Ralph Wiggum
by canadian gal on Thu Jul 03, 2008 at 02:17:22 AM EST
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Re: there was plenty... (2.00 / 2)

fair enough.


by Can I Haz Moar Snark on Thu Jul 03, 2008 at 02:20:02 AM EST
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Re: i think it was meant to suggest... (2.00 / 2)

Yeah, they may be trolls but what do we become when we play with them? If they are trolls, ignore them, because they thrive on your attention, and without it, they simply fade away. For some reason the trolls will never answer my questions. I wonder why?


"And I scream at the top of my lungs, what's going on?"
by Hollede on Thu Jul 03, 2008 at 02:19:49 AM EST
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Re: i think it was meant to suggest... (none / 0)

Of course I probably come off like some interfering idiot, scolding the children down the block.


"And I scream at the top of my lungs, what's going on?"
by Hollede on Thu Jul 03, 2008 at 02:16:36 AM EST
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Re: Have a problem with (none / 0)

Well, this goes back to my objection to people with their confederate flags.  

We have one flag for the United States of America.  We have 50 state flags.

We have on National Anthem - doesn't matter where you live, what color you are, what gender, your age.

They should call this something else other than "Black National Anthem".  Sorry, I just feel that way.


by colebiancardi on Thu Jul 03, 2008 at 03:20:16 PM EST


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